Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates

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Removing Featured lists in Wikipedia

This page is for the review and improvement of Wikipedia:Featured lists that may no longer meet the Featured list criteria. FLs should be kept at current standards regardless of when they were promoted. Any objections raised in the review must be actionable.

The FLC director, Giants2008, or his delegates, PresN and The Rambling Man, determine the exact timing of the process for each nomination. Nominations will last at least 14 days, and longer where changes are ongoing and it seems useful to continue the process. For a nomination to be kept, consensus must be reached that it still meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the delegates determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list, archived and added to Former featured lists if, in the judgment of the director who considers a nomination and its reviews:

  • actionable objections have not been resolved; or
  • consensus to keep has not been reached; or
  • insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met

Nominations may be closed earlier than the allotted two weeks if, in the judgment of the FLRC delegate, the list in the nomination:

  • has a clear consensus to merge or redirect to another article or list. This consensus may be shown in Articles for deletion, a discussion on the article's talk page, a discussion on the relevant WikiProject(s), or other community venues that present a tangible consensus to merge or redirect the article; or
  • contains a clear copyright violation and removal of the copyrighted material would severely degrade the quality of the list.

Do not nominate lists that have recently been promoted (such complaints should have been brought up during the candidacy period on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates), or lists that have recently survived a removal attempt – such nominations are likely to be removed summarily.

A bot will update the list talk page after the list has been kept or the nomination archived; the delay in bot processing can range from minutes to several days, and the {{FLRC}} template should remain on the talk page until the bot updates {{ArticleHistory}}. If a nomination is delisted, editors should take adequate time to work on resolving issues before re-nominating at Featured list candidates.

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Nomination procedure

  • Place {{subst:FLRC}} on the talk page of the nominated list.
  • From the FLRC template, click on the red "initiate the nomination" link. You will see pre-loaded information; leave that text. If you are unsure how to complete a nomination, please post to the FLRC talk page for assistance.
  • Below the preloaded title, write your reason for nominating the list, sign with ~~~~ and save the page. Please note which of the featured list criteria that the list fails to meet.
  • Place {{Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/name of nominated article/archiveNumber}} at the top of the list of nominees on this page by first copying the above, clicking "edit" on the top of the page, and then pasting, making sure to add the name of the nominated article.
  • Notify relevant parties by adding {{subst:FLRCMessage|ArticleName|archive=# of archive page}} (for example, {{subst:FLRCMessage|List of Presidents of the United States|archive=1}}) to relevant talk pages (insert article name). Relevant parties include main contributors to the article (identifiable through article stats script), the editor who originally nominated the article for Featured List status (identifiable through the Featured List Candidate link in the Article Milestones), and any relevant WikiProjects (identifiable through the talk page banners, but there may be other Projects that should be notified). Leave a message at the top of the FLRC indicating whom you have notified and that notifications have been completed.

Lists nominated for removal

Memorial to Heroic Self Sacrifice

Notified: Iridescent, WikiProject Public Art/London.
Also pinging BD2412, Dreamy Jazz, EEng, Gonnym, HughJLF and Lord Belbury, all of whom were involved in the move discussion. Ham II (talk) 16:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

This article had its featured list star removed by Bradv following this discussion to move it from the title List of tablets on the Memorial to Heroic Self Sacrifice, but it was never submitted to FLRC. Ham II (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

  • @TonyBallioni: I see it is in response to User:Gonnym comment at the move discussion, "if this stops being a list, be sure to remove the featured list tag. I doubt the current state of the article would get a FA as the lead section has information (basically all of it) that is not present in the article violating MOS:LEAD (which the list might in-fact also be doing, but I'm unsure how FL assessment works
    And where it also seems they are equally unsure about how FL-demotion occurs. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 16:39, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Appears so. I've gone ahead and restored the bronze star thingy since there was no consensus to delist. Of course, if for some reason there's consensus to delist here, it can be done then. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
  • The featured status should be reinstated / not removed from this page, as there is no reason why is fails the criteria. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 16:37, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Rmove - First of all, I didn't start this removal process, if I had done so, I would actually come with the backup for why it should be removed. But since it already started, and you're all fast to save this undeserving article, then let's start. First yes, the change in the article makes the scope of the article not a list. It talks about the monument itself. The list in it, is just a sub-section of the article. A lot of regular articles have lists sub-sections. So with that, it fails Wikipedia:Featured list criteria #1 - the lead does not define the scope of the inclusion criteria. In addition, it fails #5 as it violates MOS:LEAD, the table violates WP:ACCESSIBILITY, the images in the table have a copy/paste alt text - not even trying, the reference section violates MOS:HEAD. It fails #3 as the the only section is "Tablets on the Memorial to Heroic Self Sacrifice". Where is the history of the monument, the development, controversies, public reaction? Some of the notes aren't even sources which violate WP:V. This is without even trying to find what is wrong with this article. I'm not sure how you all just look at this and find it all ok. --Gonnym (talk) 18:01, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

A few points of order, speaking as an FL delegate:

  • Renaming/moving an FL is not grounds to automatically delist
  • FLs should not be delisted in any case without an FLRC discussion, especially if the article continues to exist (e.g. is not a redirect)
  • At first glance, this article is still mostly composed of a table, with some explanatory text above, and so would generally be considered a "list"

All that said, Gonnym has mentioned several issues with the list that would/could lead to it being delisted. I'm not going to weigh in on the list's merits right now, but nominating oddities aside in my opinion this is a perfectly valid FLRC and should continue as such- if consensus is that Memorial to Heroic Self Sacrifice is not FL quality, it will be delisted, otherwise it will not. --PresN 21:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Keep some of the "issues" mentioned above aren't really issues at all, and it strikes me that this is one of those occasions that it would have been much easier and more profitable for all concerns for those trivial items to be addressed by modifying the article rather this rather unnecessary course of action. A few comments: (a) it doesn't need to say "list" for it to be a list article, that's nonsense, we have literally thousands of featured lists which don't have "list" in the title. There's no clear indication as to what the "inclusion criteria" needs to be here now the article is the main article about the memorial, but if one wanted to add a single sentence to cover that the list section includes all the tablets, that'd be just fine. The alt text is just fine so there's no access concerns at all. If anyone wishes to expand the article to cover more of the items noted above, feel free to do so. Note [a] could use a ref but all other notes are just fine. So, please, let's all just relax a bit and work on identifying fixes here. And as for "This is without even trying to find what is wrong with this article", see WP:NOTPERFECT and WP:POINT. This article had a community consensus to promote to FL, and as far as I can see, not much has changed since then. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. There is very little wrong with this article and some of the issues mentioned above have been fixed. I would delete the discontinued mobile app in the lead and external links. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2018 (UTC)